Talk:Collective Level Expectations

Ali already started this page at Staff Survey. We should combine them somehow.

RfS 00:14, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

We need to hash out the expectations in the Needs more discussion area so that we are all agreeing on the same thing. Feel free to move any item from the Solid and ready to go section to the Needs more discussion section if you feel we should talk about it more.

Needs more discussion
There are two items that we did not agree on that also deal with this item:
 * All collective workers will get paid for attending meetings.
 * 1) Should staff get paid for attending all meetings or just some?
 * collective members should be paid for all meetings they attend. If a member abuses this, and attends all meetings, sleeps through them, and is generally unhelpful, we would have to deal with that. If someone did this, they would most likely be slacking in other areas as well. As long as staff members are working and helpful, I think they should be paid for all meetings they attend. Laurel


 * As long as collective workers are salaried, this is a moot point, as we're paid by the week, not by the hour. As far as paid workers, it's different. Tonyc 04:56, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

Before we can make sense of the first statement we need to decide on the other two. Dave
 * 1) Should there be a cap on the number of committees a collective worker should participate in?


 * I think this involves two, separate things: how much do we want to pay non-salaried folks for meetings, and how much is too much to expect from salaried people? One is a budget issue, one is a burnout issue. Tonyc 04:56, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

What should this number be?Dave
 * All collective workers are required to work a certain minimum number of hours per week.


 * Assuming all collective members are responsible for individual areas/programs, 24 seems like a realistic expectation to me. This allows for at least three 3-4 hour shifts in core coordination areas, a few shorter floor shifts, and enough hours for committee participation/admin time.  We should also remember to factor the minumum amount of time we decide collective members should spend working with volunteers into this.Serge

What is this cap? Are we hourly or salaried?Dave We are salaried. The cap should be 40 hours/week. Laurel
 * There will be a cap on how many hours per week collective members should be paid for.


 * I agree. 37.whatever is silly. We all work over 40 hours. We should all be paid for that amount, at least. Tonyc 04:56, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

What is this minimum?Dave
 * All collective workers are required to spend a minimum amount of time working with volunteers.


 * Do we want this number to be the same for all collective members, or should this be a percentage for those of us that aren't full-time?Serge


 * That's a good point. Should the number of "floor" hours be expressed as a percentage of paid hours? What about half? Tonyc 04:56, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

What are these tasks? How do we split them up and hand them out?Dave
 * All collective workers are required to perform tasks that nobody wants (or not enough people want) to do.

What is this number? Right now it seems to be two.Dave
 * All collective workers are required to participate in a minimum number of committees.


 * I don't think it seems to be two. It is two. That's what I was told when I joined. If we want to change it, let's. But I'm going with a default of two. Tonyc 04:56, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

Solid and ready to go

 * We, as the Collective, strive to give workers a flexible schedule.

Salary vs. Hourly, Minimums, Maximums
We are currently salaried and if we want to change from that, we should make a case as to why. I don't have strong opinions on it either way, but am assuming the status quo.

We might re-phrase the equal pay item like this:


 * Salaries of all collective members are calculated using the same hourly rate.

I think that's simpler and does the job.

A salaried job should still have an expectation of how many hours are required. In a typical job a full salaried job is considered 40 hours per week. There are people who are salaried at 50%, get paid half as much, and are expected to work about 20 hours a week instead. I think that's the proper way to think about it. When you get into wage and hour rules (things like when we are required to pay overtime, etc.) the law defines salaried at 40 hours as well, so most of us are currently 37/40 or 92.5% of a salaried position. $16.80 x 40 hour x 52 weeks in a year is just under $35,000 as a end target salary, and I think that's a good long term goal. Though it will take several small steps to get there. (It's 1.57 time what we make now.)

I'd suggest that collective level jobs need to be at least 50% (20 hours per week) or 60% (24 hours per week). I also think that everyone who wants should be able to work towards a full 100% job (40 hours per week). That would be the "cap". I think leeway should be given to spend more time in one week and take flex time off the next, etc. We already do this on a month-by-month basis. This is in line with the flexible schedule goal.

RfS 19:25, 13 March 2009 (UTC)