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25 greatest PCs of all time

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25 greatest PCs of all time

Halfasspete: Back to the original question, please

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Back to the original question, please

Jeff at 07:41, 28 January 2006

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Jeff at 07:33, 28 January 2006

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Jeff at 07:33, 28 January 2006

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Halfasspete at 22:36, 25 January 2006

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Halfasspete at 22:35, 25 January 2006

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Jeff at 05:16, 25 January 2006

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 How many of these models do we have?
- http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,126692-page,14-c,systems/article.html
+http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,126692-page,14-c,systems/article.html
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		+	== 25 greatest PCs of all time ==
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		+	How many of these models do we have?
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		+	http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,126692-page,14-c,systems/article.html
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		+	== Back to the original question, please ==
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		+	Jeff-
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		+	I was not at the space usage meeting. Nor can I find any details about it on the wiki, in council meeting minutes (some mention, yes, but no detail), or on the council email list.
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		+	So offhand, I'd have to say it doesn't look like that group did a very effective job of getting the word out. (Not looking to point fingers, just saying that my ignorance is not due to lack of effort!)
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		+	But, I don't think any of that bears on the current question.
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		+	Blaine wanted to know (and I assume this is an open question, still) where might be good places for the museum to go.
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		+	I don't see any harm in exploring ideas, independent of what other things might use particular spaces. The ultimate choice of what goes where is a separate concern; brainstorming is a good thing. (It's only a BAD thing if there is no rational process for making the decision. But if that problem exists, we can't solve it here!)
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		+	So, Blaine, have you had any further thoughts? What are the most space-consuming things you have in mind? How would they benefit Free Geek, or the world at large?
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		+	-[[User:Halfasspete\|Pete]] 13:50, 15 Feb 2006 (PST)

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 Pete,
-I'm fairly sure you weren't at the space usage meeting that happened several months ago. I'm not sure if you were at the Council meeting where it was decided that space usage was in fact an issue which affected everyone, and was therefore not something that could be decided ad hoc, though Council didn't want to take the task on itself. The biggest impression I was left with from the Space Usage meeting was that there were multiple competing interests for each space that existed in FG.
+I'm not sure if you were at the Council meeting where it was decided that space usage was in fact an issue which affected everyone, and was therefore not something that could be decided ad hoc, though Council didn't want to take the task on itself. That aside, I don't remember you being at the space usage meeting itself, though I may simply be misremembering, so I'll e describe a bit of it to explain why I don't think the museum in FG is currently viable. The biggest impression I was left with from the Space Usage meeting was that there were multiple competing interests for each space that existed in FG.
-My main objection to the discussion going on above is that you're discussing using spaces with almost no apparent consideration for the fact that there are half a dozen other programs/projects that would like to use that space.
+Above the discussion centers around where to put the museum (or so it seems to me). I think that this discussion stems from seeing the spaces at FG not being currently in use and not knowing that there was such a meeting where what to do with the space was actively and long discussed.
-Behind the stage? There was an active debate: would it be build storage, or white hole storage, would it be extra build space, even? The museum wasn't even considered, though maybe it should be. There was discussion of moving the stage forward and turning all that space behind the stage into the secure build area.
+Behind the stage? There was an active debate: would it be build storage, or white hole storage, would it be extra build space, even? The museum wasn't even considered, though maybe it should be. There was discussion of moving the stage forward and turning all that space behind the stage into the secure build area. Considering the benefit to production for any of those, I would rate the museum far lower.
 The front room? Although it's been 'slated' for an internet cafe for a long time, that wasn't really the consensus of the group, primarily because an internet cafe doesn't gain us as much as people think at first. The most interesting proposal was to move the conference room there and then re-purpose the conference room, though the idea of having offices up there was also strongly considered.

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	So I fully support the idea of the museum moving forward, as soon as you have a space for it. But from what I've seen, there is no good space at FG that could be dedicated to it. The lab is going to be repurposed and will be much more valuable to us when it's build and office space, or build and testing space, or build and eval space, or ... than I think a museum will be. The upstairs isn't really much of a museum space, though it could work (though there are other ideas vying for it).		So I fully support the idea of the museum moving forward, as soon as you have a space for it. But from what I've seen, there is no good space at FG that could be dedicated to it. The lab is going to be repurposed and will be much more valuable to us when it's build and office space, or build and testing space, or build and eval space, or ... than I think a museum will be. The upstairs isn't really much of a museum space, though it could work (though there are other ideas vying for it).
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		+	Pete,
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		+	I'm fairly sure you weren't at the space usage meeting that happened several months ago. I'm not sure if you were at the Council meeting where it was decided that space usage was in fact an issue which affected everyone, and was therefore not something that could be decided ad hoc, though Council didn't want to take the task on itself. The biggest impression I was left with from the Space Usage meeting was that there were multiple competing interests for each space that existed in FG.
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		+	My main objection to the discussion going on above is that you're discussing using spaces with almost no apparent consideration for the fact that there are half a dozen other programs/projects that would like to use that space.
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		+	Behind the stage? There was an active debate: would it be build storage, or white hole storage, would it be extra build space, even? The museum wasn't even considered, though maybe it should be. There was discussion of moving the stage forward and turning all that space behind the stage into the secure build area.
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		+	The front room? Although it's been 'slated' for an internet cafe for a long time, that wasn't really the consensus of the group, primarily because an internet cafe doesn't gain us as much as people think at first. The most interesting proposal was to move the conference room there and then re-purpose the conference room, though the idea of having offices up there was also strongly considered.
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		+	So I fully support the idea of the museum moving forward, as soon as you have a space for it. But from what I've seen, there is no good space at FG that could be dedicated to it. The lab is going to be repurposed and will be much more valuable to us when it's build and office space, or build and testing space, or build and eval space, or ... than I think a museum will be. The upstairs isn't really much of a museum space, though it could work (though there are other ideas vying for it).

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 * As for justification...first off, I don't think the wiki is the best place to discuss that. Because of limited participation. Also, while I don't know if there have been council decisions about this yet, it DOES seem there is some consensus (at least in the non-technical sense) that people want Blaine to move forward on this.
 * Musings...it seems that all the potential benefits might fall in the Outreach area, so maybe it would be good to bring a proposal to Outreach for some refinement, before bringing it up at Council.
 Personally, I think that an actively-curated museum would be a great benefit, and worth devoting some space to. If Blaine ends up losing interest or something, then it could become a dust-gathering space-waster, but I'd rather deal with that if/when it happens (because I don't think it's that likely.)
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		+	Jeff-
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		+	I think you're missing some information. I'm not sure I'm the best-informed, I'll try to fill in some gaps:
		+	* We HAVE a coordinator/curator. That's Blaine. He's been working on it, and now is looking for feedback. So this isn't as hypothetical as you seem to think.
		+	* As for justification...first off, I don't think the wiki is the best place to discuss that. Because of limited participation. Also, while I don't know if there have been council decisions about this yet, it DOES seem there is some consensus (at least in the non-technical sense) that people want Blaine to move forward on this.
		+	* Musings...it seems that all the potential benefits might fall in the Outreach area, so maybe it would be good to bring a proposal to Outreach for some refinement, before bringing it up at Council.
		+	Personally, I think that an actively-curated museum would be a great benefit, and worth devoting some space to. If Blaine ends up losing interest or something, then it could become a dust-gathering space-waster, but I'd rather deal with that if/when it happens (because I don't think it's that likely.)
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		+	Wait, I have another idea.
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		+	Give them away to nonprofits and businesses that want to have an exhibit, maybe a rotating exhibit, in their windowfront. We'll make cards explaining what the piece is, and get it there and set it up. In exchange they get a strange piece of computer history in their window, and we'll make a walking tour of the city which can give them some publicity.
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		+	I like this one even better.
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		+	[[User:Jeff\|Jeff]] 21:16, 24 Jan 2006 (PST)