Talk:History of Free Geek - Revision history

Rfs at 16:25, 20 September 2008

2008-09-20T16:25:48Z

Wy at 03:15, 22 September 2007

2007-09-22T03:15:18Z

Moorere: slightly moderate (my own) verbiage

2007-03-19T04:45:28Z

slightly moderate (my own) verbiage

Moorere: /* Muse' */ spell'

2007-02-25T19:37:26Z

Muse': spell'

Moorere: /* Muse' */ our new, happy life

2007-02-23T04:17:34Z

Muse': our new, happy life

Moorere: /* Geekstorians Wanted: Reply Within (Yosellyselves, Geeki Peeps) */ perf'

2007-02-01T01:49:55Z

Geekstorians Wanted: Reply Within (Yosellyselves, Geeki Peeps): perf'

Moorere: /* Geekstorians Wanted: Reply Within (Yousellyselves, Geeki Peeps) */

2007-01-31T01:09:54Z

Geekstorians Wanted: Reply Within (Yousellyselves, Geeki Peeps)

Moorere: sellyselves'

2007-01-30T19:07:29Z

sellyselves'

Moorere at 06:33, 27 January 2007

2007-01-27T06:33:42Z

Moorere: wanted: geekstorian - reply within

2007-01-24T20:16:20Z

wanted: geekstorian - reply within

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By one account ([http://lists.freegeek.org/pipermail/c7/2007-January/000632.html this one], item 5786), this particular reflection of Free Geek's history may or should or will be assoc' (collective memory, lessons learned). Of these particular associates, comment that "lessons learned" seems just as closely associated with another, "education", which Free Geek, in time, will also change forever.

To express this another way, education seems also closely associated with self-organization, and so closely that, eef not eedenteecal, then so dynamically intertwined as to be presently irresolvable. Or so it would seem.

Hence this is as if the lightest of pencil sketches of "collective memory" only, as if a pencil sketch and not "something else entirely" (i.e, wikitech).

Next, extending the headings offered (By Era, By Date), might be continued by identifying and beginning to link existing wiki pages under these (e.g., Founding Document of the Council).

[[User:Moorere|Moorere]] 12:16, 24 January 2007 (PST)

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	+	There doesn't seem to be any further updates. [[User:Wy\|Wy]] 20:15, 21 September 2007 (PDT)

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−	By one account ([http://lists.freegeek.org/pipermail/c7/2007-January/000632.html this one], item 5786), this particular reflection of Free Geek's history may or should or will be assoc' (collective memory, lessons learned). Of these particular associates, comment that "lessons learned" seems just as closely associated with another, "education", which Free Geek, in time, will also change forever.

−	To express this another way, education seems also closely associated with self-organization, and so closely that, eef not eedenteecal, then so dynamically intertwined as to be presently irresolvable. Or so it would seem.
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−	~~Hence this is as if the lightest of pencil sketches of "collective memory" only, as if a pencil sketch and not "something else entirely" (i.e, wikitech).~~
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−	~~Next, extending the headings offered (By Era, By Date), might be continued by identifying and beginning to link existing wiki pages under these (e.g., Founding Document of the Council).~~
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−	~~[[User:Moorere\|Moorere]] 12:16, 24 January 2007 (PST)~~
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−	~~===Muse'===~~
−	It is as if branches of a tree were beginning to extend themselves. And in the normal course of events, they might all continue to grow, with multiple extensions. Or (another possibility), some may not.
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−	Present' interesting models might be this [http://www.afj.org/about_AFJ/history/index.html Alliance for Justice] page, and [[WikiPedia:History_of_wikipedia\|History of Wikipedia]]... examples from a wide range of possibilities. Also interesting may be different perspectives around present intersection of [http://chnm.gmu.edu/resources/essays/d/9 "history" and webtech].
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−	~~[[User:Moorere\|Moorere]] 22:33, 26 January 2007 (PST)~~
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−	I see there is now a reference to [[WikiPedia:Emmanuel_Goldstein\|"creeping Goldsteinism"]] gently stirring its tender shoots. One can only trust that in the normal course of events it is simply a transient breeze, and not, like, a recurring theme or anything.
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−	~~6079 [[User:Moorere\|Moorere]] 20:17, 22 February 2007 (PST)~~
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−	(attend our owner's b'''o'''siness) should be amplified. "Our owners'" seems to mean at least in part in this context something like "the childrens' future"... so a synonym might be "the people's" or "the masses'", and in this context "Free Geek's" (and "all of the above's") future... And "bosiness" seems like a pun on "bossiness" and "business", so in this context may mean something like "a tendency for bosses ("tyrants," "mungeners", "power-mad desk mice" (not including true bureaucrats)) to colonize the boundaries and margins of of 'busy-ness' or business." And "attending" resonates with "open, alert precision of modulated attention."
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−	~~[[User:Moorere\|Moorere]] 11:37, 25 February 2007 (PST)~~
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−	~~===Geekstorians Wanted: Reply Within (Yosellyselves, Geeki Peeps)===~~
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−	There are those, and not only our [[WikiPedia:Convention on the Rights of the Child\|owners]], who remain presently enchanted by an essay written shortly before the Soviet Union voted itself out of existance, entitled [[WikiPedia:End of history\|The End of History]]. I was enchanted by it because the thesis that history had ended, if true, would seem to have unimaginably extensive consequences and implications. And they're still unimaginable... and fascinate'.
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−	In a world without history, not only would nothing ever change, it would be impossible to be aware of change. Wouldn't it? In fact, change itself might actually become unthinkable, except as a sort of systemic transgression or subversion of the status quo. And this line of speculation of course quickly leads to a logical inference: if change were impossible, transgression of normative normynorms could not possibly have any effect (change being impossible), and would therefore be utterly futile, hence more or less quickly discontinued.
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−	And that would be sort of a relief, really (at least for some people, if history had just... stopped). Social change, for instance, could occur at its own collective pace, as our owners chose appropriate opportunities to most profitably "[[WikiPedia:United States Declaration of Independence\|effect their Safety and Happiness]]" (and by extension '''af'''fect everyones, at least to some degree). [[WikiPedia:Thoughtcrime\|Thoughtcrime]] becoming impossible, the last opposition to extending normal normative normynorms throughout all time and space would simply and naturally become its opposite, possibly by simply no longer noticing its traditional antagonists -- "graciousness," "politeness," "civility," "common sense," "sensitivity," "political correctness", and so forth.
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−	What does this have to do with Free Geek's history? To all appearances, history seems to go on by itself, with almost unnoticable regard to its collective manifestations. It seems to me that people and groups simply weave themselves into its wonderfully intricate tapestry more or less inevitably, with notice of its own self-organization by "history" (if noticed at all) being a second intersection with a wholer fabric.
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−	And Free Geek's history, begun so tentatively (as all wiki' seem to be), for me, represents another instance of an impression that I got the first time I ingressed: that history had just begun... and that it had begun, not as if for the first time, but for exactly the very first time, itself, ever (and ''Phht!'' to the mundane details of a past, which, in the palpable bustle of its corridors, was obviously and immediately not present in any discernable fashion).
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−	In this tiny context, p'rhaps I can "give back" something for the wonderful experiences I had volunteering with Free Geek. I know I desire to. But realistically its collective self-identity would best be described by those nearer its average age, gender, and geekicity than others, and in its own terms. The little wiki' someone, possibly I, have done here so far has been (and may continue to be) as if "hinting"... and here's one explicitly, simply noting what's probably obvious: Free Geek "wiki' aboot its history" will very soon become an intensely self-demanding recursively escalating series of inevitable changes, when and as those who experienced it begin help constructing it.
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−	~~[[User:Moorere\|Moorere]] 17:09, 30 January 2007 (PST)~~
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		+	(attend our owner's b'''o'''siness) should be amplified. "Our owners'" seems to mean at least in part in this context something like "the childrens' future"... so a synonym might be "the people's" or "the masses'", and in this context "Free Geek's" (and "all of the above's") future... And "bosiness" seems like a pun on "bossiness" and "business", so in this context may mean something like "a tendency for bosses ("tyrants," "mungeners", "power-mad desk mice" (not including true bureaucrats)) to colonize the boundaries and margins of of 'busy-ness' or business." And "attending" resonates with "open, alert precision of modulated attention."
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		+	I see there is now a reference to [[WikiPedia:Emmanuel_Goldstein\|"creeping Goldsteinism"]] gently stirring its tender shoots. One can only trust that in the normal course of events it is simply a transient breeze, and not, like, a recurring theme or anything.
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		+	6079 [[User:Moorere\|Moorere]] 20:17, 22 February 2007 (PST)

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 ===Geekstorians Wanted: Reply Within (Yosellyselves, Geeki Peeps)===
-There are those, and not only our owners, who remain presently enchanted by an essay written shortly before the Soviet Union voted itself out of existance, entitled [[WikiPedia:End of history|The End of History]]. I was enchanted by it because the thesis that history had ended, if true, would seem to have unimaginably extensive consequences and implications.  And they're still unimaginable... and fascinating.
+There are those, and not only our [[WikiPedia:Convention on the Rights of the Child|owners]], who remain presently enchanted by an essay written shortly before the Soviet Union voted itself out of existance, entitled [[WikiPedia:End of history|The End of History]]. I was enchanted by it because the thesis that history had ended, if true, would seem to have unimaginably extensive consequences and implications.  And they're still unimaginable... and fascinate'.
-In a world without history, not only would nothing ever change, it would be impossible to be aware of change.  Wouldn't it?  In fact, change itself might actually become unthinkable, except as a sort of systemic transgression or subversion of the status quo.  And this line of speculation of course quickly leads to a logical inference: if change were impossible, transgression of normative normynorms could not possibly have any effect (change being impossible), and would therefore be utterly futile.
+In a world without history, not only would nothing ever change, it would be impossible to be aware of change.  Wouldn't it?  In fact, change itself might actually become unthinkable, except as a sort of systemic transgression or subversion of the status quo.  And this line of speculation of course quickly leads to a logical inference: if change were impossible, transgression of normative normynorms could not possibly have any effect (change being impossible), and would therefore be utterly futile, hence more or less quickly discontinued.
-And that would be sort of a relief, really (at least for some people, if history had just... stopped).  Social change, for instance, could occur  at its own collective pace, as our owners chose appropriate opportunities to most profitably "[[WikiPedia:United States Declaration of Independence|effect their Safety and Happiness]]" (and by extension '''af'''fect everyones, at least to some degree).  [[WikiPedia:Thoughtcrime|Thoughtcrime]] becoming impossible, the last opposition to extending normal normative normynorms throughout all time and space would simply and naturally become its opposite, possibly by simply no longer noticing its traditional antagonists -- "graciousness," "politeness," "civility," "common sense," "sensitivity," "political correctness", and so forth.  (Which would be pure speculation; and I do digress.)
+And that would be sort of a relief, really (at least for some people, if history had just... stopped).  Social change, for instance, could occur  at its own collective pace, as our owners chose appropriate opportunities to most profitably "[[WikiPedia:United States Declaration of Independence|effect their Safety and Happiness]]" (and by extension '''af'''fect everyones, at least to some degree).  [[WikiPedia:Thoughtcrime|Thoughtcrime]] becoming impossible, the last opposition to extending normal normative normynorms throughout all time and space would simply and naturally become its opposite, possibly by simply no longer noticing its traditional antagonists -- "graciousness," "politeness," "civility," "common sense," "sensitivity," "political correctness", and so forth.
 What does this have to do with Free Geek's history?  To all appearances, history seems to go on by itself, with almost unnoticable regard to its collective manifestations.  It seems to me that people and groups simply weave themselves into its wonderfully intricate tapestry more or less inevitably, with  notice of its own self-organization by "history" (if noticed at all) being a second intersection with a wholer fabric.
-And Free Geek's history, begun so tentatively (as all wiki' seem to be), for me, represents another instance of an impression that I got the first time I walked in the door: that history had just begun... that it had begun, not as if for the first time, but for exactly the very first time, itself, ever (and ''Phht!'' to the mundane details of a past which, in the palpable bustle of its corridors, was obviously and immediately not present in any discernable fashion).
+And Free Geek's history, begun so tentatively (as all wiki' seem to be), for me, represents another instance of an impression that I got the first time I ingressed: that history had just begun... and that it had begun, not as if for the first time, but for exactly the very first time, itself, ever (and ''Phht!'' to the mundane details of a past, which, in the palpable bustle of its corridors, was obviously and immediately not present in any discernable fashion).
-In this tiny context, p'rhaps I can "give back" something for the wonderful experiences I had volunteering with Free Geek.  I know I desire to.  But realistically its collective self-identity would best be described by those nearer its  average age and gender than others, and in its own terms.  The little wiki' someone, possibly I, have done here so far has been (and may continue to be) as if "hinting"... and here's one explicitly, simply noting what's probably obvious: Free Geek "wiki' aboot its history" will very soon become an intensely self-demanding recursively escalating series of inevitable changes, when and as those who experienced it begin help constructing it.
+In this tiny context, p'rhaps I can "give back" something for the wonderful experiences I had volunteering with Free Geek.  I know I desire to.  But realistically its collective self-identity would best be described by those nearer its  average age, gender, and geekicity than others, and in its own terms.  The little wiki' someone, possibly I, have done here so far has been (and may continue to be) as if "hinting"... and here's one explicitly, simply noting what's probably obvious: Free Geek "wiki' aboot its history" will very soon become an intensely self-demanding recursively escalating series of inevitable changes, when and as those who experienced it begin help constructing it.
 [[User:Moorere|Moorere]] 17:09, 30 January 2007 (PST)
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 By one account ([http://lists.freegeek.org/pipermail/c7/2007-January/000632.html this one], item 5786), this particular reflection of Free Geek's history may or should or will be assoc' (collective memory, lessons learned).  Of these particular associates, comment that "lessons learned" seems just as closely associated with another, "education", which Free Geek, in time, will also change forever.
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 [[User:Moorere|Moorere]] 12:16, 24 January 2007 (PST)
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 It is as if branches of a tree were beginning to extend themselves.  And in the normal course of events, they might all continue to grow, with multiple extensions.  Or (another possibility), some may not.
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 [[User:Moorere|Moorere]] 22:33, 26 January 2007 (PST)

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		+	It is as if branches of a tree were beginning to extend themselves. And in the normal course of events, they might all continue to grow, with multiple extensions. Or (another possibility), some may not.
		+
		+	Present' interesting models might be this [http://www.afj.org/about_AFJ/history/index.html Alliance for Justice] page, and [[WikiPedia:History_of_wikipedia\|History of Wikipedia]]... examples from a wide range of possibilities. Also interesting may be different perspectives around present intersection of [http://chnm.gmu.edu/resources/essays/d/9 "history" and webtech].
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		+	[[User:Moorere\|Moorere]] 22:33, 26 January 2007 (PST)