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<br>Minute Taker: Martin
 
<br>Minute Taker: Martin
 
<br>Scribe: Laurel
 
<br>Scribe: Laurel
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<br>Minutes Checker:  
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<br>Minutes Checker: Dave
 
<br>RT Jockey: Vagrant
 
<br>RT Jockey: Vagrant
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<br>Attendance: Laurel2.0, Dave, Vagrant, Laurel, Seamus, Richard, Kathey, Cliff, Ezra, Caitlin, Renee, Bert, Anne, Martin, Roy, Sophia
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<br>Attendance: Laurel2.0, Dave, Vagrant, Laurel, Seamus, Richard, Kathey, Cliff, Ezra, Caitlin, Renee, Bert, Anne, Martin, Roy, Sophia, Shawn
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<br>Last meeting: {{Council 2009 07|15 July, 2009}}
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<br>Last meeting: [[Council 2009 07|15 July, 2009]]
 
== COMMITMENTS ==
 
== COMMITMENTS ==
 
* None
 
* None
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* {{http://todo.freegeek.org/Search/Results.html?Query=Queue%20=%20%27Council%27%20AND%20(Status%20=%20%27open%27%20OR%20Status%20=%20%27new%27%20OR%20Status%20=%20%27stalled%27) | RT}}
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* [[http://todo.freegeek.org/Search/Results.html?Query=Queue%20=%20%27Council%27%20AND%20(Status%20=%20%27open%27%20OR%20Status%20=%20%27new%27%20OR%20Status%20=%20%27stalled%27) | RT]]
 
== REPORTS ==
 
== REPORTS ==
 
:Requested Reports
 
:Requested Reports
 
* Classroom construction proceeds, as soon as next month
 
* Classroom construction proceeds, as soon as next month
 
* Job descriptions up, being tweaked
 
* Job descriptions up, being tweaked
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* Funding - {{http://lists.freegeek.org/pipermail/council/2009-August/002650.html|Info and presentation}}
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* Funding - [[http://lists.freegeek.org/pipermail/council/2009-August/002650.html|Info and presentation]]
 
*:Council should choose the top priorities
 
*:Council should choose the top priorities
 
== BUSINESS ==
 
== BUSINESS ==
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=== Online Sales Position: presenter? (OLD)===
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=== Online Sales Position: Seamus presented (OLD)===
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* {{http://lists.freegeek.org/pipermail/council/2009-August/002639.html | Proposal discussion}}
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* [[http://lists.freegeek.org/pipermail/council/2009-August/002639.html | Proposal discussion]]
 
*:Commissioned salespeople would be paid to sell items online
 
*:Commissioned salespeople would be paid to sell items online
 
* List Clarifing Questions
 
* List Clarifing Questions
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** Question - Answer
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** None?
 
* List Concerns
 
* List Concerns
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** Concern - Questions Which Clarify the Concern
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** Previous decision not to do this disregarded? - No, it was always left open as a possibility.
 +
** Why isn't Sergio able to do more sales himself? - The demands on the floor took all his time.
 +
** How does high-money-makers effect other staff or volunteers? - Staff isn't worried about someone making MORE than current staff, but believe their oversight will take care of the issue fairly if it turns up.
 +
** Are there fiscal problems to clear up? - Staff and board will continue to research it and make sure to follow any rules that turn up.
 +
** Can we get a report or two about how it's going along?  Once when it starts, once when it ends.
 
* Proposal:
 
* Proposal:
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*: (final proposal)
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*: Accept the proposal as listed in the wiki.  Hear back soon.  Change name to not say "Contractor".
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** Decision adopted (with Unresolved Concerns Listed - AKA Stand Asides) | Send to Committee (if creating a new committee list intrested people)
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** Decision adopted
  
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=== Store Discount Policy: (OLD)===
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=== Store Discount Policy: Dave presented (OLD)===
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* {{http://lists.freegeek.org/pipermail/council/2009-July/002556.html | Proposal discussion}}
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* [[http://lists.freegeek.org/pipermail/council/2009-July/002556.html | Proposal discussion]]
 
*:Change discount policy to require 3hr/30days
 
*:Change discount policy to require 3hr/30days
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* List Clarifing Questions
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* Brainstorm
−
** Question - Answer
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** disbursing hardware is important.
−
* List Concerns
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** what about a post-adoption-only discount.
−
** Concern - Questions Which Clarify the Concern
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** discount encourages volunteers who are straining on the staff.  harrassment, abuse, laziness, volunteer issues and system exploits all come up when their only motivation is monetary.
 +
** would our volunteer base fall?
 +
** what other problems would come about if the discount fell?
 +
** making periferals available at a reduced cost helps a bunch for some people.
 +
** abusers collude and team up.  they are jerks.
 +
** the discount is high on many volunteers' list of rewards
 +
** many volunteers also express frustration at the sense of being taken advantage of by the abusers
 +
** what about no discount?
 +
** more tiers of discount?
 +
** simple rules are better.
 +
** gift certificates issued at hour landmarks?
 +
** can we survey the volunteer base?
 +
** we cannot be seen as compensating our volunteers directly for their hours.
 +
** 3/4 of sales are no discount, 1/5 volunteer discount, 1/20 other discounts
 +
** what factors should go into this: volunteer incentives, ease of implementation, retaining the good volunteers while getting rid of the bad ones, disbursing cheap stuff to people in need, making money in the store
 
* Proposal:
 
* Proposal:
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*: (final proposal)
+
*:There exist problems with the current discount policy such that it is hurting free geek.  Council has created this list of concerns and ideas.  We want to ask more volunteers about this with a survey.  Then, have the store make a proposal taking them into consideration for potentially radical changes in the discount policy.
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** Decision adopted (with Unresolved Concerns Listed - AKA Stand Asides) | Send to Committee (if creating a new committee list intrested people)
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** Decision adopted
  
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=== General Priorities: (NEW)===
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=== General Priorities: not really discussed (NEW)===
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* {{General Priorities}}
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* [[General Priorities]]
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*:(Summarize Presentation)
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*: ...
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* List Clarifing Questions
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** Do we need to ditch optimus prime's tools?  Put them on the list.
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** Question - Answer
 
−
* List Concerns
 
−
** Concern - Questions Which Clarify the Concern
 
 
* Proposal:
 
* Proposal:
−
*: (final proposal)
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*: Homework - Read the information on the council list, answer questions that come up.
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** Decision adopted (with Unresolved Concerns Listed - AKA Stand Asides) | Send to Committee (if creating a new committee list intrested people)
+
** Tabled to the list and then next meeting.
 +
 
 +
=== Meeting Eval ===
 +
* + it worked
 +
* -+- specific people didn't show up
 +
* +++++ things wentsmoothly
 +
* - "reports" section is really amorphous.  can requests be made beforehand?
 +
* + we said we couldn't finish something, and that was right
 +
* + ground rules followed
 +
* + once our attention went to doing this right
 +
* + scribing is fun, and the board didn't quit!
  
 
== REMAINING COMMITMENTS ==
 
== REMAINING COMMITMENTS ==
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* Name - commitment - status (discussion points if necessary)
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* Sergio - email council when commissioned sales start
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* Name - commitment - status (discussion points if necessary)
+
* Seamus - email online sales with possible evaluation criteria
 +
* Sophia, Ezra and Laurel - will survey volunteers about the discount
  
 
== Next Meeting ==
 
== Next Meeting ==
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* Facilitator:  
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* Facilitator: Ezra and Kathey
−
* Scribe:  
+
* Scribe: Anne
−
* Minutes Checker:  
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* RT Jockey: Laurel
 
* Reporters to other meetings?
 
* Reporters to other meetings?
−
* Date and time:  
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* Date and time: 1915, 16 sept, 2009
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* Place:  
+
* Place: Guess.
 
* List of unfinished business for the next meeting:
 
* List of unfinished business for the next meeting:

Revision as of 20:02, 19 August 2009


When: 19 Aug, 2009
Place: Meeting Room
Facilitator: Kathey
Minute Taker: Martin
Scribe: Laurel
Minutes Checker: Dave
RT Jockey: Vagrant
Attendance: Laurel2.0, Dave, Vagrant, Laurel, Seamus, Richard, Kathey, Cliff, Ezra, Caitlin, Renee, Bert, Anne, Martin, Roy, Sophia, Shawn
Last meeting: 15 July, 2009

COMMITMENTS

REPORTS

Requested Reports
  • Classroom construction proceeds, as soon as next month
  • Job descriptions up, being tweaked
  • Funding - [and presentation]
    Council should choose the top priorities

BUSINESS

Online Sales Position: Seamus presented (OLD)

  • [| Proposal discussion]
    Commissioned salespeople would be paid to sell items online
  • List Clarifing Questions
    • None?
  • List Concerns
    • Previous decision not to do this disregarded? - No, it was always left open as a possibility.
    • Why isn't Sergio able to do more sales himself? - The demands on the floor took all his time.
    • How does high-money-makers effect other staff or volunteers? - Staff isn't worried about someone making MORE than current staff, but believe their oversight will take care of the issue fairly if it turns up.
    • Are there fiscal problems to clear up? - Staff and board will continue to research it and make sure to follow any rules that turn up.
    • Can we get a report or two about how it's going along? Once when it starts, once when it ends.
  • Proposal:
    Accept the proposal as listed in the wiki. Hear back soon. Change name to not say "Contractor".
    • Decision adopted

Store Discount Policy: Dave presented (OLD)

  • [| Proposal discussion]
    Change discount policy to require 3hr/30days
  • Brainstorm
    • disbursing hardware is important.
    • what about a post-adoption-only discount.
    • discount encourages volunteers who are straining on the staff. harrassment, abuse, laziness, volunteer issues and system exploits all come up when their only motivation is monetary.
    • would our volunteer base fall?
    • what other problems would come about if the discount fell?
    • making periferals available at a reduced cost helps a bunch for some people.
    • abusers collude and team up. they are jerks.
    • the discount is high on many volunteers' list of rewards
    • many volunteers also express frustration at the sense of being taken advantage of by the abusers
    • what about no discount?
    • more tiers of discount?
    • simple rules are better.
    • gift certificates issued at hour landmarks?
    • can we survey the volunteer base?
    • we cannot be seen as compensating our volunteers directly for their hours.
    • 3/4 of sales are no discount, 1/5 volunteer discount, 1/20 other discounts
    • what factors should go into this: volunteer incentives, ease of implementation, retaining the good volunteers while getting rid of the bad ones, disbursing cheap stuff to people in need, making money in the store
  • Proposal:
    There exist problems with the current discount policy such that it is hurting free geek. Council has created this list of concerns and ideas. We want to ask more volunteers about this with a survey. Then, have the store make a proposal taking them into consideration for potentially radical changes in the discount policy.
    • Decision adopted

General Priorities: not really discussed (NEW)

  • General Priorities
    ...
    • Do we need to ditch optimus prime's tools? Put them on the list.
  • Proposal:
    Homework - Read the information on the council list, answer questions that come up.
    • Tabled to the list and then next meeting.

Meeting Eval

  • + it worked
  • -+- specific people didn't show up
  • +++++ things wentsmoothly
  • - "reports" section is really amorphous. can requests be made beforehand?
  • + we said we couldn't finish something, and that was right
  • + ground rules followed
  • + once our attention went to doing this right
  • + scribing is fun, and the board didn't quit!

REMAINING COMMITMENTS

  • Sergio - email council when commissioned sales start
  • Seamus - email online sales with possible evaluation criteria
  • Sophia, Ezra and Laurel - will survey volunteers about the discount

Next Meeting

  • Facilitator: Ezra and Kathey
  • Scribe: Anne
  • RT Jockey: Laurel
  • Reporters to other meetings?
  • Date and time: 1915, 16 sept, 2009
  • Place: Guess.
  • List of unfinished business for the next meeting:
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