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Re: RCBC Computer Reuse Organization Standard
 
Re: RCBC Computer Reuse Organization Standard
  
Free Geek's membership met recently to discuss the proposed standard.  We are very encouraged by the spirit of the document as it represents a significant step forward from current, unregulated practices.  We agree that there is a need for certifying reuse organizations and resellers in BC, and that a strict standard to which these organizations can be held will go a long way toward eliminating unethical or illegal practices.  However, our membership has a number of serious concerns, which will be described in detail later in this document along with proposed resolutions.  Our most serious concerns are as follows:
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Free Geek's membership met recently to discuss the proposed standard.  We are very encouraged by the spirit of the  
  
1. We cannot commit to directing unusable electronics to the provincially mandated e-waste stewardship program. At this time it is far from certain that the program will follow the best possible environmental practices.  We must reserve the right to seek better alternatives where possible.
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document as it represents a significant step forward from current, unregulated practices.  We agree that there is
  
2. We feel the residual lifespan criteria is needlessly restrictive and would prohibit innovative reuse and repurpose models, greatly reducing the amount of reusable product. 
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a need for certifying reuse organizations and resellers in BC, and that a strict standard to which these
  
3. We are uncomfortable being required to support BC's EPR program.  As a community organization with responsibility to public trust, we cannot commit to supporting a program which has not yet been properly defined and which we have not auditedMoreover, we would require the independence to critically assess the program.
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organizations can be held will go a long way toward eliminating unethical or illegal practicesHowever, our
  
The remainder of this document comprises a detailed listing of all of our concerns, proposed resolutions, and commentary from the Basel Action Network.
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membership has a number of serious concerns, which will be described in detail later in this document along with
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proposed resolutions, the most serious being as follows:
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1. We cannot commit to directing unusable electronics to the provincially mandated e-waste stewardship program. At
 +
 
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this time it is far from certain that the program will follow the best possible environmental practices.  We must
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 +
reserve the right to seek better alternatives where possible.
 +
 
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2. We feel the residual lifespan criteria is needlessly restrictive and would prohibit innovative reuse and
 +
 
 +
repurpose models, greatly reducing the amount of reusable product. 
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3. We are uncomfortable being required to support BC's EPR program.  As a community organization with
 +
 
 +
responsibility to public trust, we cannot commit to supporting a program which has not yet been properly defined
 +
 
 +
and which we have not audited. 
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The remainder of this document comprises a detailed listing of all of our concerns, proposed resolutions, and  
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commentary from the Basel Action Network.
  
  
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We will address each item individually.
 
We will address each item individually.
  
1. We would like a clear distinction made between incineration and smelting.
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1. We would like a clear distinction made between incineration and smelting. There has been speculation that e-
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waste directed through the provincial program will be smelted; this item would appear to prohibit re-use
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organizations from using the provincial program.  Clarification is required.  Otherwise, we strongly agree with
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this item.
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2. We cannot commit to directing unusable electronics to the provincially mandated e-waste stewardship program. At
 +
 
 +
this time it is far from certain that the program will follow the best possible environmental practices.  We must
 +
 
 +
reserve the right to seek better alternatives where possible, with no prejudice to the organization running the
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program.  Instead of a mandated recycler, we prefer articulated standards like those provided by the Basel Action
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 +
Network (e.g. no prison labour, not shipping to non-OECD countries; see the BAN pledge at
  
2. We cannot commit to directing unusable electronics to the provincially mandated e-waste stewardship program. At this time it is far from certain that the program will follow the best possible environmental practices.   We must reserve the right to seek better alternatives where possible, with no prejudice to the organization running the program.  Instead of a mandated recycler, we prefer articulated standards like those provided by the Basel Action Network (e.g. no prison labour, not shipping to non-OECD countries).
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http://ww.ban.org/pledge/electronics_recycler_pledge.pdf)
  
 
3. We agree with this point.
 
3. We agree with this point.
  
 
4. We agree, with one minor edit.
 
4. We agree, with one minor edit.
"reload the operating system" should become "reload an operating system", to allow for the operating system loaded being different from the one previously resident on the disk prior to wiping.
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"reload the operating system" should become "reload an operating system", to allow for the operating system loaded  
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 +
being different from the one previously resident on the disk prior to wiping.
  
 
5. We agree.
 
5. We agree.
  
6.  We are reluctant to a forced agreement with ESBC as this is an industry group rather than a government  
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6.  We are reluctant to entrust ESBC with all re-use data as this is an industry group rather than a government or
or public body.  We would agree to provide the public with all details; in fact we do so already due to our
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commitment to transparency.  We note that if transparency is mandated as part of the pledge, this item becomes unnecessary.
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public body.  We would agree to provide the public with all details and would expect that other reuse
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organization's details are made available to the public as well.
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7. We agree to the spirit of the item.  However, we are concerned that the cost of such insurance may be
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prohibitive to smaller organizations and must withhold final comment until we have researched the matter.
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8.  We feel this point is overly simplistic since "product" requires clarification.  How does it relate to the
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components of a computer, which may be disassembled and reassembled?  CRT monitors could be tracked, but almost
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every component inside a computer could be swapped out; some of these parts may be reusable and some not.
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Also, we would like assurance that we are not required to collect personal information about the persons donating
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the product.
  
7. We agree to the spirit of the itemHowever, we are concerned that the cost of such insurance may be prohibitive to smaller organizations and must withhold final comment until we have researched the matter.
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9. We are uncomfortable being required to support BC's EPR programAs a community organization with
  
8.  We feel this point is overly simplistic since "product" requires clarification.  How does it relate to the components of a computer, which may be disassembled and reassembled?
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responsibility to public trust, we cannot commit to supporting a program which has not yet been properly defined
Also, we would like clarification that we are not required to collect personal information about the persons donating the product.
 
  
9.  We are uncomfortable being required to support BC's EPR program.  As a community organization with responsibility to public trust, we cannot commit to supporting a program which has not yet been properly defined and which we have not audited.   
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and which we have not audited.  We want to be free to criticize the program if need be, and to be an
We want to be free to criticize the program if need be, and to be an
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organization that the public can trust to be unbiased. We require a precise definition of what "co-operation with  
organization that the public can trust to be
 
unbiased. "Cooperation with program stakeholders"
 
is particularly problematic and requires
 
clarification.
 
  
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program stakeholders" entails and must re- iterate our mission to continually seek out the best possible
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environmental practices and to bring public attention to any practices that fall short of this standard. 
  
 
10. We agree.
 
10. We agree.
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B. Residual Lifespan Criteria
 
B. Residual Lifespan Criteria
  
We believe this criteria should only be applicable to shipping charitable equipment overseas.  However, we must note that Free Geek does not consider sending workable items to less developed countries to be appropriate, since is recycling infrastructure in these countries is usually not properly equipped to process the hazardous materials inside electronics.
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With respect to systems for export to developing countries:
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We agree that there is a need to regulate the type of systems sent overseas for "re-use", as a lot of systems
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currently shipped under this label are in fact scrapAn age limit is probably the best indication of the
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 +
remaining lifespan of the system; more detailed specifciations, such as processor speed or hard disk size, are
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unnecessary, since they are directly correlated with the system's age, and will in fact change over time,
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necessating updating of the standard. 
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However, we must note that Free Geek does not consider sending used items to less developed countries to be  
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appropriate unless there is clear provision either for proper recycling in those countries, or for shipping the
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items back to North America where they may be properly recycled.
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With respect to systems re-used domestically or in developed countries:
  
For all other cases, including domestic reuse, we find the proposed minimum requirements
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We find the proposed minimum requirements
 
to be overly simplistic and not well applicable to the  
 
to be overly simplistic and not well applicable to the  
 
practical issues inherent in computer technology reuse, for the following reasons:
 
practical issues inherent in computer technology reuse, for the following reasons:
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1. Computers are treated as a whole, with no
 
1. Computers are treated as a whole, with no
 
provision for dismantling machines and reusing or
 
provision for dismantling machines and reusing or
replacing parts (or repurposing old parts for
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replacing parts.  Some parts can be repurped for
 
other purposes, like using old printer components
 
other purposes, like using old printer components
for robotics projects or artistic endeavors).
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for robotics projects, or using systems or parts for artistic endeavors or as film props.
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We are also able to satisfy occasional local businesses' requests for legacy hardware, such as old floppy disk
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readers.
  
 
2. There is no provision for free or
 
2. There is no provision for free or
 
open-source software as an alternative to propriety operating systems.  Open source  
 
open-source software as an alternative to propriety operating systems.  Open source  
 
software can prolong the lifetime of older hardware and enables lower-cost refurbished  
 
software can prolong the lifetime of older hardware and enables lower-cost refurbished  
system since there is need to purchase new software licenses.  
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system since there is no need to purchase new software licenses.
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3. Our experiences have shown that the proposed minimum standard would divert a large
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amount of working, reusable hardware to recycling.  In particular, thin client networks
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can be created using one powerful server and many less-powerful client computers.  An example
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is the Linux Terminal Server Project (LTSP), recently adopted by the Kamloops District 73 School (see article:
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http://www.sd73.bc.ca/district-operations.php/page/linux-in-education/).  Also, Free Geek's own
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LTSP lab is composed of Pentium-II computers.
  
3. Under the proposed criteria, low-cost solutions, like
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Our membership is generally is agreement that, with the possible exception of overseas shipping, a residual
Linux Terminal Server Project (LTSP) computer labs, could not exist. 
 
These solutions usually comprise one powerful server and many lower-end systems, many of
 
which could fall well below the proposed standard.  Our experiences have shown that the proposed
 
standard would divert a large amount of working, reusable hardware to recycling.
 
  
Speak about Kamloops District 73 School going LTSP  refer to
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lifespan criteria is needlessly restrictive and would prohibit innovative reuse and repurpose models, greatly
http://www.sd73.bc.ca/district-operations.php/page/linux-in-education/
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reducing the amount of reusable product.  
  
Our membership is generally is agreement that, with the possible exception of overseas shipping, a residual lifespan criteria is needlessly restrictive and would prohibit innovative reuse and repurpose models, greatly reducing the amount of reusable product.
 
  
 
C. Implementation Plan
 
C. Implementation Plan
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D. Commentary from Basel Action Network
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D. Conclusion
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We support in principle the regulation of computer reuse organizations in BC.  If our outstanding concerns can be
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addressed, we look forward to further involvement in this program.
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Appendix. Commentary from Basel Action Network
  
 
Free Geek's opinions on e-waste and recycling are strongly influenced
 
Free Geek's opinions on e-waste and recycling are strongly influenced
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retardants can create brominated dioxins and
 
retardants can create brominated dioxins and
 
furans at certain temperatures.
 
furans at certain temperatures.
 
 
E. Conclusion
 
 
We support in principle the regulation of computer reuse organizations in BC.
 
If our outstanding concerns can be addressed, we look forward to further involvement in this program.
 

Revision as of 23:16, 19 July 2007

Re: RCBC Computer Reuse Organization Standard

Free Geek's membership met recently to discuss the proposed standard. We are very encouraged by the spirit of the

document as it represents a significant step forward from current, unregulated practices. We agree that there is

a need for certifying reuse organizations and resellers in BC, and that a strict standard to which these

organizations can be held will go a long way toward eliminating unethical or illegal practices. However, our

membership has a number of serious concerns, which will be described in detail later in this document along with

proposed resolutions, the most serious being as follows:

1. We cannot commit to directing unusable electronics to the provincially mandated e-waste stewardship program. At

this time it is far from certain that the program will follow the best possible environmental practices. We must

reserve the right to seek better alternatives where possible.

2. We feel the residual lifespan criteria is needlessly restrictive and would prohibit innovative reuse and

repurpose models, greatly reducing the amount of reusable product.

3. We are uncomfortable being required to support BC's EPR program. As a community organization with

responsibility to public trust, we cannot commit to supporting a program which has not yet been properly defined

and which we have not audited.

The remainder of this document comprises a detailed listing of all of our concerns, proposed resolutions, and

commentary from the Basel Action Network.


A. Pledge of Stewardship

We will address each item individually.

1. We would like a clear distinction made between incineration and smelting. There has been speculation that e-

waste directed through the provincial program will be smelted; this item would appear to prohibit re-use

organizations from using the provincial program. Clarification is required. Otherwise, we strongly agree with

this item.

2. We cannot commit to directing unusable electronics to the provincially mandated e-waste stewardship program. At

this time it is far from certain that the program will follow the best possible environmental practices. We must

reserve the right to seek better alternatives where possible, with no prejudice to the organization running the

program. Instead of a mandated recycler, we prefer articulated standards like those provided by the Basel Action

Network (e.g. no prison labour, not shipping to non-OECD countries; see the BAN pledge at

http://ww.ban.org/pledge/electronics_recycler_pledge.pdf)

3. We agree with this point.

4. We agree, with one minor edit. "reload the operating system" should become "reload an operating system", to allow for the operating system loaded

being different from the one previously resident on the disk prior to wiping.

5. We agree.

6. We are reluctant to entrust ESBC with all re-use data as this is an industry group rather than a government or

public body. We would agree to provide the public with all details and would expect that other reuse

organization's details are made available to the public as well.

7. We agree to the spirit of the item. However, we are concerned that the cost of such insurance may be

prohibitive to smaller organizations and must withhold final comment until we have researched the matter.

8. We feel this point is overly simplistic since "product" requires clarification. How does it relate to the

components of a computer, which may be disassembled and reassembled? CRT monitors could be tracked, but almost

every component inside a computer could be swapped out; some of these parts may be reusable and some not. Also, we would like assurance that we are not required to collect personal information about the persons donating

the product.

9. We are uncomfortable being required to support BC's EPR program. As a community organization with

responsibility to public trust, we cannot commit to supporting a program which has not yet been properly defined

and which we have not audited. We want to be free to criticize the program if need be, and to be an organization that the public can trust to be unbiased. We require a precise definition of what "co-operation with

program stakeholders" entails and must re- iterate our mission to continually seek out the best possible

environmental practices and to bring public attention to any practices that fall short of this standard.

10. We agree.


B. Residual Lifespan Criteria

With respect to systems for export to developing countries: We agree that there is a need to regulate the type of systems sent overseas for "re-use", as a lot of systems

currently shipped under this label are in fact scrap. An age limit is probably the best indication of the

remaining lifespan of the system; more detailed specifciations, such as processor speed or hard disk size, are

unnecessary, since they are directly correlated with the system's age, and will in fact change over time,

necessating updating of the standard.

However, we must note that Free Geek does not consider sending used items to less developed countries to be

appropriate unless there is clear provision either for proper recycling in those countries, or for shipping the

items back to North America where they may be properly recycled.

With respect to systems re-used domestically or in developed countries:

We find the proposed minimum requirements to be overly simplistic and not well applicable to the practical issues inherent in computer technology reuse, for the following reasons:

1. Computers are treated as a whole, with no provision for dismantling machines and reusing or replacing parts. Some parts can be repurped for other purposes, like using old printer components for robotics projects, or using systems or parts for artistic endeavors or as film props. We are also able to satisfy occasional local businesses' requests for legacy hardware, such as old floppy disk

readers.

2. There is no provision for free or open-source software as an alternative to propriety operating systems. Open source software can prolong the lifetime of older hardware and enables lower-cost refurbished system since there is no need to purchase new software licenses.

3. Our experiences have shown that the proposed minimum standard would divert a large amount of working, reusable hardware to recycling. In particular, thin client networks can be created using one powerful server and many less-powerful client computers. An example is the Linux Terminal Server Project (LTSP), recently adopted by the Kamloops District 73 School (see article:

http://www.sd73.bc.ca/district-operations.php/page/linux-in-education/). Also, Free Geek's own LTSP lab is composed of Pentium-II computers.

Our membership is generally is agreement that, with the possible exception of overseas shipping, a residual

lifespan criteria is needlessly restrictive and would prohibit innovative reuse and repurpose models, greatly

reducing the amount of reusable product.


C. Implementation Plan

We would like a definition of "person-to-person exchanges".


D. Conclusion

We support in principle the regulation of computer reuse organizations in BC. If our outstanding concerns can be

addressed, we look forward to further involvement in this program.


Appendix. Commentary from Basel Action Network

Free Geek's opinions on e-waste and recycling are strongly influenced by those of our friend and ally, the Basel Action Network (BAN). The following is BAN's statement.

Basel Action Network maintains that:

1. Advanced recycling fees are not a good financing mechanism in that they do not involve the manufacturers in the end-of-life management of their products, and thereby do nothing to drive redesign for the environment and human health. If manufacturers have to pay for end-of-life costs (e.g. via incorporating these costs into the price of a new product), then they have a direct economic incentive to redesign their products to be less toxic, more upgradeable, more easily recycled, and perhaps longer lived. Ultimately, toxic waste issues must be addressed upstream in the manufacturing phase of a product’s lifecycle.

2. Reuse of electronics is environmentally preferable to destruction, but only if tested working and labeled equipment with a long life is allowed into the reuse market, and particularly the developing countries. Both the EU and Australia have developed detailed criteria for determining when a used electronic is a product acceptable for exporting for reuse, or is a waste, based on interpretation of the international treaty (Basel Convention) that governs the trade in toxic wastes. (www.basel.int) Our criteria for tested working equipment would allow for older equipment that runs on open source software to be allowed into the reuse market, if it is tested and fully functional, and has a reasonable life expectancy.

3. Refurbishment/repair of equipment generated in developed countries such as Canada or the US must occur in the developed world prior to export to developing countries, if those repairs will result in the replacement or removal of a hazardous part (such as circuit boards, CRTs, fluorescent lamps, batteries, etc.) In order to determine what types of repairs are needed, testing must be accomplished.

4. Smelters play an important role in reclaiming metals from materials. Because smelting always creates toxins, it is important to only use smelters that use the best technology to minimize the creation of dioxins and furans, and to capture toxic air emissions. Circuit boards and other metal-bearing e-scrap generated in developed countries should only be smelted in developed countries. We support the use of smelters in countries such as Canada, US, Belgium and Sweden, rather than using smelters in the developing countries. We do not support sending this entire e-waste stream directly to smelters, where much of the materials are not reclaimed, but rather are burned (which is a form of disposal, including waste-to-energy processes.) End-of-life electronics should be manually or mechanically separated and subsequent materials sent for material separation and reuse (e.g. plastics back into plastics usage, etc.) rather than burned or used as BTUs in a thermal process, even in waste-to-energy facilities. Thermal processing of plastics impregnated with brominated flame retardants can create brominated dioxins and furans at certain temperatures.