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-==02Mar07==
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-Where have I been for a week?  Working on Disk Replication, memory testing and disk test/wipe, mainly.  The inflow was relatively low during that time. I did a little with the '''smartmontools''' package, which I think should probably become a standard part of disk testing.  I use it when wiping/testing the hard drives in the Mac Build area.
-Script [[Mac Build Scripts#genMacDisk.sh|genMacDisk.sh]] works, creating a Ubuntu Edgy bootable hard drive that looks pretty much like the one created by the Ubuntu installer.  I don't think it covers all of the PowerMac tower boot-device configurations.  It might bebetter to leave that for a post-creation step.  I'll have to think about that somemore.
-''G4 Powerbook''<br>
-Audio does not seem to be configuring during installation on the G4/700 flat-panel and the G4 Powerbook. [http://music.columbia.edu/pipermail/linux-audio-user/2005-June/023998.html This] forum article suggests a fix.
-The 800MHz G4 Powerbook battery seems to be pretty much shot.  Tests showed battery life to be about 6 minutes.  I asked Dave to leave it plugged in overnight in the Black Hole to see if prolonged charging would have any effect.
-The CD drive may actually be a SuperDrive, or CD-RW.  If it's using SCSI emulation, '''cdrecord --scanbus''' might find it.   I got the model number from '''/proc/ide/hd?''', which could be googled.
-''nVidia''<br>
-[http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=924 Here] is a forum article with a suggestion about installing '''6.10(Edgy)''' on systems with nVidia video controllers.  It is based on booting the LiveCD and changing '''xorg.conf'''.  I'm not sure I ever pursued the LiveCD install far enough to try this.  This is coming up again because Loren is working on the G4/700 Flat Panel machines with '''7.04(Feisty)''', which has problems of its own, and there are a couple of G4 PowerMac Quicksilver 733MHz machines that came in with nVidia contollers. I may have commented earlier that there were no nVidia drivers for PPC.  That would have been a misinterpretation of things I read.  It seems that nVidia (and ATI, too, reportedly) have not released the 3D driver versions for PPC, but the 2D versions work fine.  It's just a matter of convincing a PPC installation to use the driver correctly (hence the link mentioned above).
-==03mar07==
-Many of the later G4 towers have nVidia video controllers.  The expected donation evolution described by RFS (systems coming into FreeGeek will have ever 'increasing' specs) predicts that we will be seeing more of these as time goes by.  Loren and I talked about the variety of G4 tower configurations, and I said I would make a chart of the G4 models that showed specs for the various models.  I'm working on that.  It sure would be nice to solve the nVidia on Dapper/Edgy problem. ([[Mac Models]] page created 05mar07)
-Some G4 towers have a '''DVD-RAM''' drive.  This kind of drive was an early DVD-RW format that apparently did not catch on.  The literature says that it was more popular in camcorders.  You don't hear much about them in the consumer computer market these days.  MacBuild should swap these out for DVD/CD-RW, if possible, or DVD-ROM, and sell them separately in the store.
-I replicated a ppc linux hard drive from a G3 (or G4?) tower drive, and tried it on an iMac.  It didn't work. X failed to start and I couldn't convince it to reconfigure xserver-xorg.  The point of the exercise is to produce a replicated hard drive that 'just works', so I abandoned that attempt.  I installed a new Edgy in the iMac using the alternate CD, and used that drive to capture the linux directory and boot directory, and save them on the hard drive of the replicator machine.  The script '''genMacDisk''' will have to be modified to take into account the different installation directories.  The nVidia solution, if there is one, will probably need to be captured, too.
-How many more, I wonder?
-I had a false epiphany about replication.  Ubuntu has what it terms an '''OEM''' installation on the alternate CD, and I thought this might be exploited to do the replication.  What I discovered is that the '''OEM''' installation does not address the case at hand, and there is relatively little documentation that I can find.  The closest stated application is to replicate identical hard drives for volume system sales.  That does not apply here, since the case is replicating to a different size hard drive.
-==06mar07==
-''nVidia''<br>
-Will wonders never cease!  The Edgy LiveCD actually boots on a G4/733 Quicksilver with an nVidia GeForce2 video card.  A replicated hard drive also boots, but I had to replace '''/etc/X11/xorg.conf''' with a copy from the other G4/733 Quicksilver.  This implies that '''/etc/X11/xorg.conf''' might have to be a selectable config file based on the video card of the target platform  (and specified with a command  line argument or an environmant variable?). There is curious thing that I do not understand, however.  The alternate CLI ttys are not working.  CTL+ALT+F1 should switch to a cli console.  What actually happens is that the display turns grey-white and doesn't show anything else.  There is no display reaction to keyboard events.  huh?
-Upon reflection, the FreeGeek build standard says that video should support a generic VGA display with 1024x768 resolution.  '''/etc/X11/xorg.conf''' should reflect that.  Any displays bundled with systems should support that.  Displays that do not should be sold separately, or the sytem configuration modified if the display is required for any reason (only one that can be connected, e.g. to a cube, or grant request).  A standard '''/etc/X11/xorg.conf''' should be injected into the linux replication images.
-''Hard drive replication''<br>
-The python version of the replicator is partially tested.  There was a bug in the yaboot config file name during the last test run this afternoon.  I think I repaired, but another test round must needs be done.  The current code is in [[Mac Build Scripts: Python]].
-Matteo suggested that the '''/dev''' and '''/proc''' directories should not be copied with '''rsync''' during the replication.  I inspected the '''/proc''' directory in the host drive linux root directory, and it appears to be empty, so I guess my use of '''rsync''' in this instance is doing the right thing.  The '''/dev''' issue is a
-little more interesting.  I think that so far luck has held, in that the device configuration of various towers is so similar that a generic '''/dev''' directory will cover most cases.  There may be issues with SCSI configured systems.  We shall see.  The only '''imac''' test run didn't work, and I don't know whether it was a script failure or a severe mismatch between imac and tower configurations.  More experimentation needs to be done in that regard.
-''Mac Grant request''<br>
-There was a Grant request today for three Mac systems.  The grant specified that OS 10 should be installed. Freegeek cannot do that.  What can be provided is machines with Ubuntu, or machines on which Mac OS 10 has been shown to work. Elizabeth(?) said that the grant requestor would be contacted for more discussion.
-==07mar07==
-''nVidia''<br>
-Tried to test a 17" Apple Studio Display (ADC) today, on the G4/733 with nVidia video controller.   X never started on it, although there was some small evidence that linux did boot.  I think that the problem is an incorrect '''xorg.conf''', but I couldn't find a combination of things that were correct.  I think primarily the horiz and vertical rates wer never correct.  A good spec is at [http://support.apple.com/specs/displays/Apple_Studio_Display_17_ADC.html http://support.apple.com/specs/displays/Apple_Studio_Display_17_ADC.html], and says horiz: 60-160Hz, vert: 80kHz.  In addition, only the '''nv''' version of the nVidia driver is available for '''ppc''', not the '''nvidia''' version.  This is what I was referring to earlier in the comment about no nVidia 3D driver for '''ppc'''.  Note that the previously mentioned success with the video was with a 15" flat panel Apple Studio display, and the copied '''xorg.conf''' may have actually been from the successful LiveCD boot.  Also note that reconfiguring Xorg is hard to do since the console terminals (CTL+ALT+F1 et. al.) do not seem to be available when X doesn't start using this 17" ADC monitor.  FWIW, the configuration program for xorg is the X server, '''Xorg -configure''', but it must be run from a non-X console, i.e., Xorg cannot already be running.
-The console terminals do not seem to be available at all with the nVidia card.  They are not there with the Blue VGA studio display.   There may be video boot parameters that can be added to '''yaboot.conf''' or other options in the driver section of '''xorg.conf'''.  More research and experimentation is need here.
-''Hard drive replication''<br>
-Python script debug and successful disk replication.  There are still issues about standard display vs. special display and nVidia contoller vs. ATI controller to resolve.
-==12mar07==
-''DVD Use''<br>
-Freegeek does not include anything beyond reading DVD data in its Ubuntu installation.  Dave advises that we can, however, explain to anyone how to go about installing DVD playback support, and should include in that explanation the legal issues.  There are a couple of articles in the Ubuntu Wiki that have this information:
-* [https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats]
-* [https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/PlayingDVDs https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/PlayingDVDs]
-''Missing Splash''<br>
-Some Macs seem to have lost the startup splash with the progress bar.  There is an article [http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=290998 here] that says, essentially,
-    reset xres, yres to 1024,768 in /etc/usplash.conf and then do
-    sudo update-initramfs -u
-    change kernel line from quiet to verbose in yaboot.conf, then ybin -v
-The 1025,768 resolution spec seems to be the key.  It apparently needs to match the default resolution of the attached display.  The iMacs may use 1024x768 by default.  The 15" ADC flat panel displays, and the CRT displays that default to 1024x768 seem to display the splash/progress bar just fine.  This needs a little more investigation.
-Holy Jumpin' Up and Down Martha!  The 1024x768 resolution spec in '''/etc/usplash.conf''' works on my G3 iMac at home.  The xres,yres definitions were 800,600, and when I changed them to 1024,768, the splash appeared at next boot.  This should probably go into the replication process as a config modification (scripts.py).
-''G4 Powerbook''
-This use to be on my ToDo list, but last week BlackHole:Laptops gave it to the specialist to make or break.
-==13mar07==
-''Missing splash''<br>
-The xres,yres fix is incorporated into the rsync linux images, for both g3/g4 towers and imacs.
-''Desktop replication anomalies''<br>
-The replicated hard drives seem to be lacking what I consider to be necessary minimal panel applets: clock, trash, audio volume, window lister, window hider, workspaces.  I have added those by hand to the G4 tower I was working on today.   I was under the impression that these were provided by default, but perhaps not. I should probably replace the oem home directory in the linux replication images with the one containing the panel modifications (assuming that the modifications are local to the '''oem''' account.
-How did I spend 4 hours today?  I could probably be more efficient.
-* Convinced myself that a G4 tower recurring occasional crash was a combination of bad memory and other unspecified motherboard problems.
-* Led the noon tour
-* Moved components from the 'bad' G4 Tower to the 'next' G4 Tower
-* Discussed Mac security with a volunteer looking to improve his understanding
-* Tested two more 17" Apple CRT displays (recycled one).
-Some things are left hanging out of this:
-* One display was marked as having faint raster line failures.  Those failures showed up on more than one display, so the problem is probably in the video card.  That needs to be checked.
-* The G4 with the suspected bad motherboard can have a replacement motherboard, since there is at least one 'parts' G4 box on the shelf.
-==14mar07==
-Pi day (3.14, doncha know).   Pete brough by some old versions of Linux/PPC that he had told Loren about a few months ago.  He would also like to talk later about dual booting Linux and Mac OS.  His machine is a Powerbook that he got at Freegeek a while back.  Jeff had installed Ubuntu with the Kubuntu and Edubuntu desktops.  I told him I would find some references.
-* [http://www.philroche.net/archives/osx-and-ubuntu-dual-boot/ http://www.philroche.net/archives/osx-and-ubuntu-dual-boot/]
-* [http://blogs.sun.com/richb/entry/powerbook_dual_boot:_macosx_tiger http://blogs.sun.com/richb/entry/powerbook_dual_boot:_macosx_tiger]
-* [http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=89960 http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=89960]
-These essentially say:
- Install OSX, but invoke the partitioner as first step.
- Create a separate partition for linux.
- Finish the installation.
- Install linux, delete the spare partition and let the linux partitioner use all free space.
- After linux boot, modify yaboot.conf to use macosx as default boot.
- Booting holding option key will present a boot selection menu.
-This sounds pretty straightforward, but giving it a trial run wouldn't hurt.
-==15mar07==
-Jeff suggested using the OEM install process on the alternate CD to allow users to create their own login at first power on.  That should be incorporated into the Mac Rebuild process.  In order to capture that for the disk replication process, the root directory should be captured (rsync) before the first boot after a normal install
-from the CD.  It occurs to me that the admin login '''oem''' might be accepted anyway.  I've never done an oem installation on a powerpc.  That needs to be explored.
-A PowerMac G4/533 (Digital Audio) came in a couple of days ago.  Ubuntu 6.10 Edgy was installed, but sound does not work.  Jeff worked on it a little, installing the '''snd_powermac''' module and adding it to the list of modules to install at startup ('''/etc/modules'''), but it still didn't work.  I found some references that might be useful:
-* [https://launchpad.net/alsa-utils/+bug/30963 https://launchpad.net/alsa-utils/+bug/30963]
-* [http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=298244 http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=298244]
-* [https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/87652 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/87652]
-==16mar07==
-''G4/533 Sound''<br>
-There are three separate audio output issues here.
-# The audio device is not detected during installation and startup.  This is solved by adding the module name '''snd-powermac''' to the startup module list in '''/etc/modules'''.  Jeff had already tried this, but reported that sound was still not produced.  Loren re-installed Ubuntu, so removing Jeff's modifications.
-# No sound comes out of the internal speaker, even with the audio device detected after the '''snd-powermac''' module is installed.
-# External speakers must be of the '''Apple Pro Speakers''' variety, the same ones that come with the iMac G4/700 Flat Panel machine.  These speakers draw power from the speaker jack with a special mini-jack connector.
-The sound device on this machine is called '''Tumbler'''.    In '''alsamixer''' it will show up as '''Powermac Tumbler'''.  To get it to show up, invoke '''modprobe snd-powermac'''; then '''aplay -l''' will show that the device is detected, as will '''alsamixer'''.  The onboard circuitry is apparently provided by a TI '''tas3004''' chip(?).
-One of the previous references mentioned that plugging in headphones had an effect on the problem.  I plugged in my ipod headphones, an lo and behold the front speaker started working.  Unplug the headphones and the sound goes away.
-Problems with the '''Tumbler''' device (and its cousin '''Snapper''') are well documented in Ubuntu bugs (the reference above is the main one) and several forum articles.  As far as I can see there is no solution in Edgy (6.10).  Some references claim that this problem does not occur in Dapper (6.04).  What about Feisty (7.04), which should be in Beta release about now?  Another of the references suggested that the '''ugly''' gstreamer-plugins were required to make sound work with '''Totem'''.
-So all of this suggests some things to try.
-* Install the '''snd-powermac''' module, attach an appropriate set of external speakers, try several sound applications, including the system sound test.
-* Install Dapper and/or Feisty(latest) and test sound.
-* Install the gstreamer plugins if they are not already there and try using Totem to play sound.
-''Oem installation''<br>
-I did an '''oem''' installation from the alternate CD on a 500MHz iMac.  The installation seemed to succeed.  The only noticeable difference in the process is that the username '''oem''' is provided automatically (it still prompted for a password to be created).  The closing message about rebooting says that the '''oem''' account has sudo privileges, that the installer may use that to make necessary post-installation modifications, and that the installer may then run the script '''oem-config-prepare''' to remove the oem account so that on the next boot, a new account with sudo privileges can be created by the owner/user.
-When I rebooted the machine and tried to log in as '''oem''', the login and X startup process took a really, really long time, several minutes in fact.  The mouse cursor would disappear and reappear and not respond to mouse motion for a long time.  It makes me wonder about the integrity of the installation.  I did manage to get to a virtual console (CTL+ALT+F1), halt '''gdm''', and run the '''oem-config-prepare''' script from there.  It remains to be seen what happens on the next boot of that machine.
- note 17mar07: It has more to do with the machine itself. The same behavior is present with a regular install
- on this particular machine.  Virtual console CLI works fine, implying that video/X might be involved.
-I also wonder of the '''oem-config-prepare''' script is present in the normal install that we do, and if it would have the same effect.
- note 17mar07: no, it's not.
-==20mar07==
-''Oem installation, G3/500''<br>
-There are two of them.  They came in together.  I'm inclined to believe they are both something called iMac DVSE. One of them has a flower pattern on the inside on the plastic case; I believe this one is called '''Flower Power'''. I think the other one is called '''Snow'''.  Neither of them perform very well after installation; graphics seem extremely slow, as reported in [[#15mar05]].  This appears to be a known problem in bugs and forums.  Here are some solutions.
-* [http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=191080 http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=191080]
-* [https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/+bug/22667 https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/+bug/22667]
-* [http://nowonder.com/forums/unix-x11/292334-boot-problems-kernal-panics-2.html http://nowonder.com/forums/unix-x11/292334-boot-problems-kernal-panics-2.html]
-They suggest various '''xorg.conf''' modifications.  One suggests using the '''r128''' driver instead of the '''ati''' driver.
-==21mar07==
-''G4/533''<br>
-See [[#15mar07]] and [[#16mar07]].
-Solution found.  I read the referenced articles, decided to play with '''amixer''' to modify the contents of '''/var/lib/alsa/asound.state'''. and discovered the working combination of changes.   So here is the deal.
-* After installation,  add the line '''snd-powermac''' to /etc/modules
-* Run two '''amixer''' commands as root to modify mixer controls
- sudo amixer sset 'Auto Mute' off
- sudo amixer sset 'PC Speaker' on
-''G3/500''<br>
-The solution described in the first reference mentioned in [[#20mar07]] works, so I stopped experimenting.  Basically it says comment out some of the modules, and in the ati device section, turn off the FB option and add SWCursor and ForcePCIMode options.

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